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Supernatural Episode: "Frontierland"
Season 6, Episode 18
Episode Synopsis: Sam and Dean go back in time to the Wild West to search for a man they believe can help them defeat foes in the present. Original Air Date: Apr 22, 2011
Guest Cast Misha Collins: Castiel Sam Hennings: Samuel Colt Full Episode
FRONTIERLAND
Season 6, Episode 18
Sam and Dean ask Castiel to send them back in time so they can meet Samuel Colt himself....
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Length: 41:12
Aired: 4/22/2011
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читать дальшеSupernatural Episode Recap: "Frontierland" Season 6, Episode 18
Apr 23, 2011 10:05 AM ET
by Tina Charles
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Thanks to Cas, Sam and Dean hit the way back machine and travel back to Sunrise, Wyoming in 1861. They have 24 hours to find a phoenix that'll help rid the world of the Mother of All. Cue the Bonanza-esque open; Western-style music serenading the jump back in time; and fanboy Dean. Plus, Sam gets to track down the Samuel Colt, maker of the gun that has meant so much to this show's mythology over the years. Cas and Bobby are integral to the boys' excellent adventure as well.
After "Weekend at Bobby's" and "The French Mistake," this is the episode I've been waiting and waiting for and it doesn't disappoint on any level. It has mythology, humor (a million hilarious lines), a monster-of-the week that I liked even though it once again took human form; and it has both Cas and Bobby. In fact, it has both Cas and Bobby interacting with each other without the boys being in the room. Pretty cool. I'll also say I loved the directing and the look of "Frontierland." And I'd say that even if I didn't follow the episode's director (the very awesome Guy Bee) on Twitter.
"Frontierland" is just a whole lot of fun. There's some angst but it's not displayed by Sam or Dean and that's refreshing to me. There's a whole lot of smart, competent Dean. I know that's going to make a lot of his fans happy. And it also involves Sam getting to ride a horse on his way to meet Samuel Colt. He has this long scene with the gun maker/hunter, where Sam faces a bitter hunter that he no longer wants to fight the good fight. So Sam has to make his case for the gun.
And poor Cas. I don't think he's ever looked more tired or defeated. The weariness is permanently etched on his face. I wish we could see more of what's causing all of this. As for Bobby, he's integral in getting the boys back to the future. Plus, Jim Beaver gets to utter what has instantly become my favorite Bobby line of all time: "Well, we can't strand those idjits in Deadwood, can we?" I mean, Jim utters "idjits" and gives a nod to the HBO series he starred on before his character was offed in 2006. Classic.
I must admit, I had sort of turned my back on the Colt after it was used to off the Yellow-Eyed Demon in Season 2. I thought after that, it had lost its specialness. In Season 3, more bullets were made and I felt like it became just another gun. I moved on to the demon-killing knife. But, with "Frontierland," meeting the bitter badass Samuel Colt helped make me fall in love with the gun all over again. And I'm even more cool with the fact that the ashes of the phoenix is the thing that will bring down the Mother of All. I'm content with the Colt simply looking cool and taking down mere demons.
Dean Winchester is a big ol' geek, isn't he? Did you see his face when they were in Samuel Campbell's secret research library/panic room? He totally geeked out. But once the plan to go back to the past takes hold, the fanboy side of him cranks up to a thousand. I think he's turned into an even bigger geek than Sam. I love how he gets so excited for certain things like pie, Westerns and...Dr. Sexy M.D. He knows he's going to the Old West and he runs out for supplies. Unfortunately, his Western wear is not nearly as authentic as he thinks. Of course, Sam doesn't want anything to do with being "authentic." To fit in, he simply puts on a shirt, a jacket and a hat. But he comes out looking better to the locals of Sunrise, Wyoming.
In Sunrise, Sam and Dean end up having to use their hunting skills to take care of a guy who's going around murdering the men who sentenced him to death by hanging — the town judge, sheriff and deputy. I like how it turns out he actually had a valid reason for killing these authority figures. Unfortunately, Dean can't let this Elias Finch live. He's the phoenix. The brothers need him dead so they can make with his ashes and get back to 2010.
As for Cas, he's busy getting confronted by his lieutenant. Later, he tells Bobby she turned on him and let Raphael corrupt her. There may be some truth to that. But the things that she said lead me to believe there's more to the story. What is Cas' "dirty little secret?" What did he have to do that was so bad they wouldn't tell us in this episode? Cas says he didn't have a choice. It must be something huge. I have a feeling we'll find out in a couple of weeks.
One of my favorite moments (other than Bobby's Deadwood line) is the high noon showdown Dean had with Finch. Sam appeared just in time with the Colt in hand (yay, Sam!) and then the newly appointed sheriff (Dean) faced down Finch in the middle of town with the clock striking high noon. The tension of this Old West gunfight is intercut with an injured Cas (from his battle with Rachel) having to go to extremes to bring the Winchesters back to present day — he has to touch Bobby's soul to get the mojo he needs to do the deed.
The clock strikes noon; shots are fired; and Finch is killed. Then there's this slow-mo shot of Dean and the Colt. Then we get an awesome shot of Finch going up demon-style. It was pretty amazing. Worth the price of admission. But before Sam and Dean can snag the ashes, Cas is successful and they find themselves at Bobby's once again, feeling like they failed. No matter. Sam got through to Samuel Colt. All of a sudden a guy knocks on the door. He has a package and it happens to be the ashes. Total suspension of disbelief, but I don't care. I'm going with it. In the Supernatural universe, crazier things have happened. The fact it's a Back to the Future Part III reference makes it even easier to suspend my disbelief.
Other Favorite Moments
-The Supernatural theme song done Bonanza-style. Actually, it wasn't just the song. It also had the burning map.
-Sam on a horse
-Every time an excellent line of dialogue was uttered
-Cas actually "ganking" someone; he got to be a bit of a badass in this episode even though he did get hurt
-Dean in the zerape (and everybody calling it a blanket)
-Dean getting hit on by one of Elkins' best girls. Man, did she look nasty
-Call me twisted, but I love the way the phoenix killed his victims and turned them into piles of ash.
-Dean getting anointed sheriff after the barkeep picked up the badge from the old sheriff's ashes and pinned it on Dean.
-Sam stepping in you-know-what and his brother calling it "authenticity."
-Sam guessing that Samuel Colt had just killed two demons even though their bodies were nowhere to be found. That Sam is sure resourceful.
Random Thoughts
-Samuel's research/panic room is much nicer than Bobby's. But I give Bobby the edge because of that poster of Bo Derek.
-I should have known something was up with Rachel the angel. She resented the boys, saying they only call when they need something. Which may be true, but I do like to think there's a give-and-take. In fact, most recently, Cas made them the bait.
-Love when Cas interrupts Rachel's entitlement rant.
-I wish there could have been more of this Mother of All story this season. Then it would make what Sam, Dean and Cas are going through that much more meaningful. We really weren't introduced to her all that long ago, so I know in my head she's the Big Bad of this final part of the season, but in my heart she's not as significant as Big Bads before her.
-Elkins is the last name of the barkeep. He's probably an ancestor of Daniel Elkins, the former hunter friend of John Winchester, who was killed in Season 1's "Dead Man's Blood." Nice touch, Andrew Dabb and Daniel Loflin (the writers of this episode).
-Another nod to early Supernatural is the fact that Samuel's building is the devil's gate when Sam and Dean are visiting in 1861. This devil's gate would play a major part of the Season 2 finale.
-Besides that slow-mo shot of Dean, my other favorite shot was after Rachel the lieutenant angel was killed. The shadow of her wings while she's laying there is killer.
-I really enjoyed seeing Samuel Colt. He may have been jaded and whiny, but he still managed to be cool. And he came through for the Winchesters.
-The Cas-touching-Bobby's-soul scene is great too. Poor Bobby. He's had a rough season.
-I'm sorry, but Dean looked really hot with that hat head in the last scene before it ended. How great was it when he put the cowboy hat on and the episode cut to black. Roll credits. So cool. After they both made a rough start, Sam and Dean made excellent cowboys.
-So there's Grandpa Samuel Campbell; his grandson Samuel Winchester; and Samuel Colt, gunmaker/hunter. So many Sams on one show. Of course, two of them are dead.
Favorite Lines (courtesy writers Andrew Dabb and Daniel Loflin)
"We'll Star Trek IV this bitch." "I only watched Deep Space Nine." "It's like I don't even know you guys anymore."
"Come on, Cas. I Dream of Jeannie your ass down here, pronto! Please."
"You have a fetish, Dean." "Shut up, I like old movies!" "You can recite every Clint Eastwood movie ever made. Line for line." "Even the monkey movies?" "Yeah. Especially the monkey movies." "His name is Clyde."
"You know what that is?" "Yeah, it's horse..." "Authenticity!"
"Marshall Eastwood. Clint Eastwood. This here's Walker. He's a Texas Ranger."
"What can I do for you boys?" We're looking for a man." "I'll bet."
"I'll stay here, hook up with the posse. Cause you know me, I'm a posse magnet. I mean, I love posse. Make that into a T-shirt." "You done?"
"So you're a hunter." "Slash sheriff."
"Candygram for Mongo." (Blazing Saddles reference)
"Don't worry. Most creatures I meet can't get it up for iron. It's a common monster problem."
"Well we can't strand those idjits in Deadwood, can we?"
"You know what this means?" "I didn't get a soul-onoscopy for nothing." "Yes, and it means we take the fight to her."
"Well, when you've done this job as long as I have, a giant from the future with some magic brick doesn't exactly give you the vapors.
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Supernatural Episode: "Frontierland"
Season 6, Episode 18
Episode Synopsis: Sam and Dean go back in time to the Wild West to search for a man they believe can help them defeat foes in the present. Original Air Date: Apr 22, 2011
Guest Cast Misha Collins: Castiel Sam Hennings: Samuel Colt Full Episode
FRONTIERLAND
Season 6, Episode 18
Sam and Dean ask Castiel to send them back in time so they can meet Samuel Colt himself....
Free | CW
Length: 41:12
Aired: 4/22/2011
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читать дальшеSupernatural Episode Recap: "Frontierland" Season 6, Episode 18
Apr 23, 2011 10:05 AM ET
by Tina Charles
60 Comments
Thanks to Cas, Sam and Dean hit the way back machine and travel back to Sunrise, Wyoming in 1861. They have 24 hours to find a phoenix that'll help rid the world of the Mother of All. Cue the Bonanza-esque open; Western-style music serenading the jump back in time; and fanboy Dean. Plus, Sam gets to track down the Samuel Colt, maker of the gun that has meant so much to this show's mythology over the years. Cas and Bobby are integral to the boys' excellent adventure as well.
After "Weekend at Bobby's" and "The French Mistake," this is the episode I've been waiting and waiting for and it doesn't disappoint on any level. It has mythology, humor (a million hilarious lines), a monster-of-the week that I liked even though it once again took human form; and it has both Cas and Bobby. In fact, it has both Cas and Bobby interacting with each other without the boys being in the room. Pretty cool. I'll also say I loved the directing and the look of "Frontierland." And I'd say that even if I didn't follow the episode's director (the very awesome Guy Bee) on Twitter.
"Frontierland" is just a whole lot of fun. There's some angst but it's not displayed by Sam or Dean and that's refreshing to me. There's a whole lot of smart, competent Dean. I know that's going to make a lot of his fans happy. And it also involves Sam getting to ride a horse on his way to meet Samuel Colt. He has this long scene with the gun maker/hunter, where Sam faces a bitter hunter that he no longer wants to fight the good fight. So Sam has to make his case for the gun.
And poor Cas. I don't think he's ever looked more tired or defeated. The weariness is permanently etched on his face. I wish we could see more of what's causing all of this. As for Bobby, he's integral in getting the boys back to the future. Plus, Jim Beaver gets to utter what has instantly become my favorite Bobby line of all time: "Well, we can't strand those idjits in Deadwood, can we?" I mean, Jim utters "idjits" and gives a nod to the HBO series he starred on before his character was offed in 2006. Classic.
I must admit, I had sort of turned my back on the Colt after it was used to off the Yellow-Eyed Demon in Season 2. I thought after that, it had lost its specialness. In Season 3, more bullets were made and I felt like it became just another gun. I moved on to the demon-killing knife. But, with "Frontierland," meeting the bitter badass Samuel Colt helped make me fall in love with the gun all over again. And I'm even more cool with the fact that the ashes of the phoenix is the thing that will bring down the Mother of All. I'm content with the Colt simply looking cool and taking down mere demons.
Dean Winchester is a big ol' geek, isn't he? Did you see his face when they were in Samuel Campbell's secret research library/panic room? He totally geeked out. But once the plan to go back to the past takes hold, the fanboy side of him cranks up to a thousand. I think he's turned into an even bigger geek than Sam. I love how he gets so excited for certain things like pie, Westerns and...Dr. Sexy M.D. He knows he's going to the Old West and he runs out for supplies. Unfortunately, his Western wear is not nearly as authentic as he thinks. Of course, Sam doesn't want anything to do with being "authentic." To fit in, he simply puts on a shirt, a jacket and a hat. But he comes out looking better to the locals of Sunrise, Wyoming.
In Sunrise, Sam and Dean end up having to use their hunting skills to take care of a guy who's going around murdering the men who sentenced him to death by hanging — the town judge, sheriff and deputy. I like how it turns out he actually had a valid reason for killing these authority figures. Unfortunately, Dean can't let this Elias Finch live. He's the phoenix. The brothers need him dead so they can make with his ashes and get back to 2010.
As for Cas, he's busy getting confronted by his lieutenant. Later, he tells Bobby she turned on him and let Raphael corrupt her. There may be some truth to that. But the things that she said lead me to believe there's more to the story. What is Cas' "dirty little secret?" What did he have to do that was so bad they wouldn't tell us in this episode? Cas says he didn't have a choice. It must be something huge. I have a feeling we'll find out in a couple of weeks.
One of my favorite moments (other than Bobby's Deadwood line) is the high noon showdown Dean had with Finch. Sam appeared just in time with the Colt in hand (yay, Sam!) and then the newly appointed sheriff (Dean) faced down Finch in the middle of town with the clock striking high noon. The tension of this Old West gunfight is intercut with an injured Cas (from his battle with Rachel) having to go to extremes to bring the Winchesters back to present day — he has to touch Bobby's soul to get the mojo he needs to do the deed.
The clock strikes noon; shots are fired; and Finch is killed. Then there's this slow-mo shot of Dean and the Colt. Then we get an awesome shot of Finch going up demon-style. It was pretty amazing. Worth the price of admission. But before Sam and Dean can snag the ashes, Cas is successful and they find themselves at Bobby's once again, feeling like they failed. No matter. Sam got through to Samuel Colt. All of a sudden a guy knocks on the door. He has a package and it happens to be the ashes. Total suspension of disbelief, but I don't care. I'm going with it. In the Supernatural universe, crazier things have happened. The fact it's a Back to the Future Part III reference makes it even easier to suspend my disbelief.
Other Favorite Moments
-The Supernatural theme song done Bonanza-style. Actually, it wasn't just the song. It also had the burning map.
-Sam on a horse
-Every time an excellent line of dialogue was uttered
-Cas actually "ganking" someone; he got to be a bit of a badass in this episode even though he did get hurt
-Dean in the zerape (and everybody calling it a blanket)
-Dean getting hit on by one of Elkins' best girls. Man, did she look nasty
-Call me twisted, but I love the way the phoenix killed his victims and turned them into piles of ash.
-Dean getting anointed sheriff after the barkeep picked up the badge from the old sheriff's ashes and pinned it on Dean.
-Sam stepping in you-know-what and his brother calling it "authenticity."
-Sam guessing that Samuel Colt had just killed two demons even though their bodies were nowhere to be found. That Sam is sure resourceful.
Random Thoughts
-Samuel's research/panic room is much nicer than Bobby's. But I give Bobby the edge because of that poster of Bo Derek.
-I should have known something was up with Rachel the angel. She resented the boys, saying they only call when they need something. Which may be true, but I do like to think there's a give-and-take. In fact, most recently, Cas made them the bait.
-Love when Cas interrupts Rachel's entitlement rant.
-I wish there could have been more of this Mother of All story this season. Then it would make what Sam, Dean and Cas are going through that much more meaningful. We really weren't introduced to her all that long ago, so I know in my head she's the Big Bad of this final part of the season, but in my heart she's not as significant as Big Bads before her.
-Elkins is the last name of the barkeep. He's probably an ancestor of Daniel Elkins, the former hunter friend of John Winchester, who was killed in Season 1's "Dead Man's Blood." Nice touch, Andrew Dabb and Daniel Loflin (the writers of this episode).
-Another nod to early Supernatural is the fact that Samuel's building is the devil's gate when Sam and Dean are visiting in 1861. This devil's gate would play a major part of the Season 2 finale.
-Besides that slow-mo shot of Dean, my other favorite shot was after Rachel the lieutenant angel was killed. The shadow of her wings while she's laying there is killer.
-I really enjoyed seeing Samuel Colt. He may have been jaded and whiny, but he still managed to be cool. And he came through for the Winchesters.
-The Cas-touching-Bobby's-soul scene is great too. Poor Bobby. He's had a rough season.
-I'm sorry, but Dean looked really hot with that hat head in the last scene before it ended. How great was it when he put the cowboy hat on and the episode cut to black. Roll credits. So cool. After they both made a rough start, Sam and Dean made excellent cowboys.
-So there's Grandpa Samuel Campbell; his grandson Samuel Winchester; and Samuel Colt, gunmaker/hunter. So many Sams on one show. Of course, two of them are dead.
Favorite Lines (courtesy writers Andrew Dabb and Daniel Loflin)
"We'll Star Trek IV this bitch." "I only watched Deep Space Nine." "It's like I don't even know you guys anymore."
"Come on, Cas. I Dream of Jeannie your ass down here, pronto! Please."
"You have a fetish, Dean." "Shut up, I like old movies!" "You can recite every Clint Eastwood movie ever made. Line for line." "Even the monkey movies?" "Yeah. Especially the monkey movies." "His name is Clyde."
"You know what that is?" "Yeah, it's horse..." "Authenticity!"
"Marshall Eastwood. Clint Eastwood. This here's Walker. He's a Texas Ranger."
"What can I do for you boys?" We're looking for a man." "I'll bet."
"I'll stay here, hook up with the posse. Cause you know me, I'm a posse magnet. I mean, I love posse. Make that into a T-shirt." "You done?"
"So you're a hunter." "Slash sheriff."
"Candygram for Mongo." (Blazing Saddles reference)
"Don't worry. Most creatures I meet can't get it up for iron. It's a common monster problem."
"Well we can't strand those idjits in Deadwood, can we?"
"You know what this means?" "I didn't get a soul-onoscopy for nothing." "Yes, and it means we take the fight to her."
"Well, when you've done this job as long as I have, a giant from the future with some magic brick doesn't exactly give you the vapors.
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29.04.2011 в 04:48Happy Birthday Jeffrey Dean Morgan, aka, Big Daddy Winchester! You get better with age!
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piscesgirl: Fri, Apr 22 2011 at 10:40 PM EDT
Coolest episode ever! What a perfect show tonight.. At high noon I was biting my lip even though i knew Dean would be fine. Waiting for recap pilgrim.
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layila: Sat, Apr 23 2011 at 12:30 AM EDT
So Dean was the one to ice the phoenix not Samuel Colt. How the phoenix, a symbol which represents rebirth, and immortality can kill the “The Mother of All” I was not clear on. Cass killing his lieutenant was surprising considering she was supposed to be a friend. Looks like Cass has been doing some pretty unorthodox things in his war with Raphael. I was not sure I would like this episode, but Dean Winchester as an uber sheriff in the Wild West, my heart be still.
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Arafel979: Sat, Apr 23 2011 at 9:58 AM EDT
Just a warning before anyone reads this post. I have a fetish for handsome cowboys and CowboyDean/Sheriff Winchester just may be the best thing that this show has ever given me! *winks* And Dean and The Colt were MADE! for each other in the same way as he and his Baby were, IMO now. His "Hello, Beautiful..." upon seeing her again has convinced me of this beyond a shadow of a doubt and that steely-eyed gaze of his every time he wields her, as he did, again, in that awesome, AWESOME! shoot-out makes my insides melt like nobody's business. Goddess. I loved this episode. Terrific balance(FINALLY!) in the writing for all four characters with only a nit pick or two that I'm not even going to get into in this post cuz I just want to revel in loving Show again for now.
Samuel Colt was Bad. Ass. LOVED! The Phoenix, too. Too many new and awesome Deanisms for me to list, but "This is not awesome." "That poor horse..." and the "I love posse" scenes were GOLD! Dean's little smile from under the brim of his hat after Sam's b!tchfaces was so adorkable and truly Old School Show that I couldn't keep from grinning, ear-to-ear. Loved the jail scene with Dean and The Phoenix, too. See what happens when You give Dean a purpose other than just hand-wringing over Sam, writers. And he got the kill. YOWZA!
Bring back Guy Bee please, Show. This episode was visually GORGEOUS!, IMO. The lighting, the camera work, everything. And keeping the camera on Jensen in that last scene when the they came back and the package was being opened will give me some sweet, sweet daydreaming fodder today. Just. Guh. Thank you. So much, Mr. Bee.
Cas, Cas, Cas...More gushing and thoughts on the plots when I have time. Two good episodes in a row and next week's looks good, too.
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catchafairy: Sat, Apr 23 2011 at 10:24 AM EDT
Thanks for the excellent and comprehensive recap, Tina. Your recaps are a "must read" for me after each episode.
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pamelabu: Sat, Apr 23 2011 at 11:21 AM EDT
There's a whole lot of smart, competent Dean. I know that's going to make a lot of his fans happy.
Frankly, this should make all fans happy, because when Dean is written like this, like the character he is is supposed to be, and when he's allowed to be a proactive part of the story line, everything else falls into place, and all the characters as well as the story line are better served, as they were in this episode. I had come to believe these writers literally did not have it in them anymore to write the kind of episodes they're actually good at, so this one was a happy surprise. So happy that I'm almost afraid to get my hopes up for the rest of the season, after having them dashed against a rock relentlessly all year long.
I think it's a shame that the couple of genuinely interesting story lines they had and didn't pull out of mothballs until the bitter end here now have no opportunity to really shine after wasting so much of the year spinning wheels in one tired overused direction. But if we can at least keep these characters to the end of the season - even with the knowledge that power has gone to Castiel's pretty head (which he'll learn a lesson from soon enough) - that would at least be a minuscule step in the right direction.
I really loved this episode. I'd like to think the series has turned a corner and gone back to the kind of story-telling they've always been good at.
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layila: Sat, Apr 23 2011 at 11:28 AM EDT
Thanks for the recap Tina. Dean was sooooo awesome!! Jensen should really consider a Western because he rocked the scene like no other. I love Clint Eastwood movies, and Jensen definitely has the presences Eastwood had in all his movies, especially my favorite, High Plains Drifter.
I have a feeling Cass is feeding on souls to win the war against Raphael as Sam did with demon blood. Sunrise was also the place the boys had a showdown with the YED when they rescued BDW in Devil's Trap. Kudos to the writers and directors; I loved every minute!
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blueyegirl: Sat, Apr 23 2011 at 11:28 AM EDT
I always look forward to your recaps Tina! Wow! What a fun episode - especially just watching Dean so giddy with excitement and then ultimately being let down when it didn't live up to his fantasy. Especially the saloon girl! LOL EWWWWWW!!!!
I'm a little worried about what exactly Castiel has been up to - has crossed too many lines? The writers have really kept us and the WInchesters in the dark about what is really going on up in Heaven. I'm sure it will all be revealed by season's end - I'm just concerned it's not good
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jkingslp: Sat, Apr 23 2011 at 11:44 AM EDT
I loved this episode! Jensen was too hot for words in his cowboy gear and Jared on a horse was priceless! Loved the BTTF reference at the end. Cool to see Cas' light shining through when he was stabbed--I think we tend to forget that he is in a vessel--that was a nice reminder. Cas and Bobby together without the guys--I really liked that too. So many great lines. Nitpicks: it should be 2012 instead of 2011 since it's almost 2 years since Swan Song. Don't see how the entire staff could miss that one after all of the references made to that fact this year. Also don't like that the phoenix was a person, again. I realize that they have a budget to follow and all, but it should have been a bird I think (I know, that would have changed the whole story). Would have liked to have found out how the Colt ticks--that's never been explained. Thought it was strange that Samuel had Colt's journal, but when Dean first met Samuel in "In the Beginning" he said he thought the Colt was a myth. Have been hearing about Rachel for months and she was only in the show for about 3 minutes? Thought that was strange too. Maybe we'll see her again in flashbacks or something. Just realized how long my nitpick list is--I promise, I loved the episode!
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29.04.2011 в 04:48IMO this episode was the one most like the first season when Sam & Dean didn't yet have all that baggage. They just did the mission, had fun with each other, and Dean annoyed Sam with his wise-cracks. I didn't mean I don't like the show now, just that it was refreshing for a change. One does not live by angst alone. This episode just flowed. It was perfect and congrats to Guy Bee on his directing. By the way, I heard an interview with him last night and he said Rachel would be back in flashbacks.
Funny point: If the show came later in time it could have been called Cowboys and Demons a la the new movie Cowboys and Aliens. I loved the guys in their cowboy oufits, especially Dean and his hat.
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racestaffer: Sat, Apr 23 2011 at 12:09 PM EDT
Wow - This episode is totally messed up! I don't mean that in a bad way. It was totally entertaining. I mean that as in it's another one I need to squeeze in at least one more viewing of before the next episode.
Unfortunately, Dean can't let this Elias Finch live. He's the phoenix. The brothers need him dead - Tina
Double standards: This does seem to be the hunters' prevailing sentiment and, as I said...I think it's messed up. We can't let Nancy sacrifice herself to save a larger group. We can't let Uriel smite a town to save the world. But if it's not human...
If Colt's diary said the blood of one very human Mr. Finch could kill Eve, would Dean have been OK ganking him then? I doubt it. Killing people for revenge is bad but we don't typically hand out the death penalty for it. The guy may not have been evil. He may have been just another hunter like John Winchester... going after his own "yellow-eyed demons." Eh, but he's not human and we need to shoot him with the magic Colt to burn him to ashes so we can kill Mother... so... "off" the s.o.b. {shrug}
And here we have yet another "mixed race" marriage. Another situation that could have produced mixed race offspring (like nephalim). By the way... a Finch is a bird. A phoenix is often thought of as a bird-like creature. They showed us dead-Rachel's wings... reminding us that angels are bird-like creatures too. And Uriel and Cas both burned folks to a crisp with a touch, didn't they? Elias was sooooo an angel. And when he was sending folks to The Judge, who do you suppose that was?
Mr. Finch: Staying with the subject of birds, I long ago hypothesized that bird sightings might be cues for "Trickster episodes." broadening the theory, perhaps specialized opening credits are also hallmarks of Trickster episodes. They did that for Changing Channels too. And did anyone besides me think "To Kill a Mockingbird" when Mr. Finch's name got mentioned? And then it turned out his story does have some parallels.... mixed race "relations" and a man unjustly accused. And, of course, the bird in the title. SPN's Finch isn't an Atticus though. Hmmmm... a bit OT but Atticus was a lawyer, Sam's old college major.
If not Atticus: I thought maybe I was misguided thinking about TKaMockingbird at first - I especially thought so before our phoenix explained himself. So I web-searched "Elias Finch" to see if the name meant anything. All I got were SPN references. So I tried simply "Elias"... and the 2nd link was a Wikipedia entry on Elija. Naturally I followed that one. Wow. VERY interesting stuff nosing around there. Too much really to hit on it all. A prophet. Elias is a Latinized version of a Greek name.... which seems to derive from the Greek god Helios. Bingo... another case for the potential fusion of the Greek pantheon with Judeo-Christian beliefs and possibly the angels of SPN. And speaking of Trickster episodes, Wikipedia says that in Mormonism, the name Elias is applied to, Gabriel (and others).
So let's see. Dean has killed a yellow-eyed demon with the Colt - yellow being the color of the sun. And now he's killed a phoenix. A bird associated with both the Greek and Egyptian sun gods. The gun was made by a Samuel., another Biblical prophet name. Dean's brother Sam used to have the gift of prophesy, and Dean has seen his Grandpa, Sam, with yellow eyes. Hmmmmm....
Back to Elias vs. Elija... Elias is used by the Eastern Orthodox branch of Catholocism. Wanna guess the name of a country that is over 80% EO according to Wikipedia? I'll give you a hint... SPN went there last week. White Russia... Belarus. They gave us a snowy White Russia, didn't they? Snow White? Ah the discussions we had in S3 about possible Snow White parallels. We've also talked about the Snow Queen of Narnia. S3 gave us a female character named Bela... S5 gave us Niveus Pharmactuticals... niveus meaning snow...
Yikes - So much I haven't even gotten to yet, but I need to head in to lab. Besides, I'm probably coming close to my character limit for text (LOL-sigh). BBL.
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scion624: Sat, Apr 23 2011 at 12:38 PM EDT
Firstly, THANK YOU TINA! I always enjoy your recaps for your wit and insight. Secondly, who doesn't love the geekboy wonder that is Dean Winchester when he's about to time travel to the Old West. His enthusiasm for the period is so refreshing to see. And that shopping spree! "Is it necessary to wear a blanket? It's a serape." So cute. Sam and Sam Colt were great, too; magic brick, PRICELESS!
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webknight18: Sat, Apr 23 2011 at 12:47 PM EDT
I really liked this episode, it was fun and entertaining, while moving the story a little bit. My major issue with this season is that they haven't really shown us how bad the Mother of all really is. And regarding the angels war and castiels part in it, IMHO the writers are saving it for the 7th season. Once the mother of all is ganked, they would need a new bad, and i think they would concentrate season7 on castiel and the angel war.
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friendorfoe: Sat, Apr 23 2011 at 1:14 PM EDT
I loved this episode, for so many reasons, and you summed them all up nicely. Even though Cas has this "dirty little secret" I still back and love him 100%. One comment I wanted to point out bc I think it's so cute. I too (along w/many others) love Dean's excitement for the little things and I wanted to actually give you a shout at something from the past you said Original post Feb. 15th 2008, original air date Feb. 14th 2008 'Mystery Spot' - "Dean seems to enjoy the little things in life. Saying "pig 'n a poke", for example. It was great to see that with all the darkness and having the life sentence hanging over his head, he was still able to appreciate those little things." reading that and remembering that episode along w/this...it reminds me how much i love this show. thank you for your reviews! I enjoy them
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Kay11: Sat, Apr 23 2011 at 1:18 PM EDT
Thanks for the great review! This was a wonderful, wonderful episode! I was so happy to see that the talent of the writers who've written in earlier seasons was still there - just waiting to be allowed to write their stuff.
The Dean/Elias shootout was the highlight. Other great moments - Sam and Samuel Colt, Bobby and Cas, Cas's showdown with Rachel and her surprisingly early death, Dean's geekiness and Sam and Dean's brotherly vibe a la Season 1 style. This one was just full of great moments. On top of the incredible episode-long fun, it was hugely mytharc-driven too. I too have to wonder why they couldn't have spread out the Eve and angelic war storyline evenly through the season, instead of getting stuck on the Sam and his soul story which dragged the season down for everyone concerned. I hope the showrunners will maintain better pacing and balance of stories and characters in Season 7. Focussing on just one character and his not so well planned storyline almost derailed this season, but I am really glad to see it back on track.
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bxdash: Sat, Apr 23 2011 at 2:24 PM EDT
All the BTTF3 references kinda got on my nerves. Also all the gimmicky eps are feeling less special this season cuz they're happening so often. It's starting to feel "monster o the week", only it's "Gimmick of the (every other) week" lately. I really got into this show the show got me to care about the characters and what they are up against. It's almost the end of the season, and I don't know what Cas is up to besides "a war for heaven". The boys are up against a "mother of all" that, no one is sure of her end game, or rather what it entails. When the Angel's storyline started, We knew what we were up against from the end of the first ep. AND they brought someone back from the dead to boot. This season's been a cluster fudge of jigsaw puzzles somewhere in each ep.
time travel was awesome that one time dean went back and they added to the mythology continuity without retcon'ing (some of the best use of time travel they could have done). Now it feels like they definitely are Star Trek IV'ing this bitca.
I'm sorry, I can't get behind this season. I'll keep watching, cuz I like the show but I can't join the love fest. It's almost like they're writing around budgets.
I also hate that I have to apologize for not liking this season so far, but I feel like I have to voice my opinion.
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29.04.2011 в 04:49Great recap, Tina. I never watched Deadwood, so I wasn't quite as excited by that line of Bobby's as you were, but that's okay. There were so many good--no, great--scenes in this ep. And great lines, too. Dean as an old-western fan-boy was so funny. And what the sheriff said about his outfit was great. "You're so... clean." Good thing Sam had put a jacket on over that square-dance shirt Dean bought him.
And oh lord.... how great did they both look in those hats....?????
I too thought the final scene (Colt's package being delivered) was a bit too deus-ex-machina, but I'm mostly willing to overlook it. The note said that Colt got the address from Sam's "brick thingy," but that doesn't explain the perfect timing. There was no way Colt could have know the exact day, or the delivery company, for that matter. But that's just a minor questionable detail.
Was it explained why the "phoenix" (which itself is a question... three experienced hunters like Bobby, Dean, and Sam, had never heard if it) would be able to kill the Mother of All? What was so special about the phoenix? Why aren't there more phoenixes through history?
And the one problem I have with all time travel stories is the headache-inducing loop: Winchesters learned that Colt's gun could kill the phoenix by reading Colt's journal, but when they get to 1861, Sam had to tell Colt that the gun could kill the phoenix. And then Colt wrotte it in his journal. So Colt couldn't write that until Sam had told him, and Sam didn't know it until after Colt had written it. Got a headache yet???
How cool did Dean look in that black duster?? I agree, Jensen should definitely look for a western movie or TV show to do. He's even got the bow-legs just like a 'real' cowboy. :-o
I too love to see the black 'wings' when an angel dies. I look forward to hearing more about what Cas is doing in Heaven. And that saloon scene was a riot... first Dean was disappointed in the whole look of the saloon, then seeing the 'working girls'.... was it just me, or were the ones downstairs better-looking than the "best girl" who made eyes at Dean? And then the "only-shelf whiskey." Poor Dean, his romantic notions of the old-west were shot down like a pin-pricked balloon.
I think one of my favorite lines was the "soul-onoscopy" line from Bobby. Leave it Mr. Singer to come up with the clever zingers.
Loved, loved, loved this episode. It was fun and funny and furthered the storyline. It was classic good guys vs bad guys, just the way it should be.
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salchan: Sat, Apr 23 2011 at 3:03 PM EDT
LOVED IT!! Jensen in Western gear...so hot. Brilliant writing. Great opening. PERFECT!!! Can't believe there's only five eps left with SOOO much still to hapen. And are friggin picked up for Season 7 or not??? Blarg!
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jkingslp: Sat, Apr 23 2011 at 3:55 PM EDT
Forgot to mention that one of the things I liked was that Sam is still having sporadic memories which let them find the Campbell library. They didn't point out that fact directly, but if things regarding that storyline happen sometime in the next few episodes, the writers haven't dropped the ball.
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racestaffer: Sat, Apr 23 2011 at 7:15 PM EDT
Time for another quick hit and run. {grin}
This is my kind of episode. So full of possible "road signs" and things that make you say "hmmmm" that it can make the head spin.
Layila! OMG! I had been composing and web surfing when you were in the process of posting so I didn't see what you wrote before. Thank-you for the "Sunrise" observation. Never in a million years would I have remembered that. Even when I read your post I was like, "Huh? Didn't John go to, uh {furled brow}, St. Louis, MO or something? And then I remembered... Meg said something cryptic about where John was being held... Sun-something. Sunshine, Sunset, Sunrise. I still don't remember exactly but I'll take your word for it. Do you remember what Sunrise was? Was it a rehab center or something? I remember it being an "institutional" setting of some sort... a school, a daycare, a clinic... something. And wasn't John in a bed when they guys found him? So if it was a school it would be a boarding school or college. Ah... but if it were a rehab center, maybe... Because...
Your spec about Cas feeding on souls and it being a parallel to Sam's drinking demon blood sounds like a good one! The team is getting quite brazen with the repetition. It would make sense if what's going on with Cas is going to wind up taking us into familiar territory. With that in mind, the "it's wrong... it's dangerous" lines of Atropos last week did come off as a bit reminiscent of Chuck's heart-to-heart with Sam in MonsterBook. And although I emphasized possible Cas/John parallels last week, I've also been thinking about Sam's status as the apple not far from the tree. Cas and Balty could be a parallel for Sam and Dean. Plus, Rachel was Sam's prom date, not John's. Like Kay11, I was stunned that Rachel came and went so quickly. I tell ya I really want to know what happened the night Dean made off with Rachel Nagus... and I want to know where it happened. Could it have been in Michigan? Interesting that Dean had whiskey (?) but made it a point to order Sam a saspirilla. I'm still feeling the vibe that the entire series could wind up being make-believe escapism from a reality that involves a drunk-driving tragedy on prom night.
Hmmmm... hmmmm... hmmmm... speaking of Rachel... Another one of the myriad observations was the weirdness of Bobby's DS9 comment. There are times in this show when you just have to ask yourself, of all the lines in all the world, why did the writers go with that one. I would't be surprised if I get a Winchestery puzzled look on my face when it happens. And the DS9 reference was one of those times. The lead in was perfectly reasonable - Dean invokes Star Trek IV as a plan of action. ST is a "space Western," SPN is a "horror Western," Dean's a movie trivia guy. Sure. Fine. But Bobby's reply was... well, weird...ish. Yeah, it was still ST genre but it wasn't very realistic. How long ago was DS9 on? Maybe a 20-something or young 30-something might have seen DS9 and nothing else Trek, but someone my age or older... like Bobby? Nuht uh. I find it improbable that Bobby started watching DS9 if he had never watched Classic Trek and NextGen. He would have either snubbed DS9 because it was Trek or he would have watched it... because it was Trek.
I know. Even if that were the case, what's my point? My point is that the writers didn't have Bobby mention DS9 because they naturally assume Bobby selectively watched it over all other Treks. It's just not a natural follow up. So what prompted Bobby (the writers) to insert the DS9 reference? Then I thought of Tina's observation about JB being in Deadwood. So I went to IMDB but all seems clear on that front. Thus, I was initially left with my old theory of "hunter speak." Dean mentions "four." Bobby counters with "nine." Dean repeats "four." And either here or last episode, Eve got referred to as "Octomom" (eight) while, remember, in FrenchMis we heard about OctoCobra (eight). I've been thinking about play-calling/playbooks ...in sports, in associations of con artists (like in Leverage or The Sting) ... and also about Bible scholars who can cite chapter and verse. Shall we run the play on page 4 (ST:IV)? I was thinking page 9 (DS9). No, let's run with 4 (ST:IV). That kind of thing perhaps?
But... now another possible reason occurs. Well, two more actually. While typing this post, I returned to Wikipedia. I decided to try entering PromRachel's last name and checking to see if it spit out anything. When I typed in Nagus I didn't get a choice of pages (links); just one. It automatically routed me to the page on... Ferengi. So, lo and behold, (Rachel) Nagus sent me to Star Trek: Deep Space 9. Seriously?! I didn't plan to read the whole entry on Ferengi and so I almost missed Wikilink #2. About a third of the way down the page there is a blurb about the etymology of Nagus. It notes that there is a similarly pronounced word...Negus... rooted in Semitic Ethopian and meaning ruler/king. And oh the multiple journeys using a starting place of two out of three of the following: Ethiopia, ruler, mixed race couples...!!! (LOL).
BTW - was that the gold Dean took from the dragons' lair? You know... mythical flying creatures that are associated with fire... like phoenixes (phoenicians - LOL?)... and angels? Dean was soooo wrong in Season 4 when he said no hunter had ever crossed paths with an angel. Hunters have been killing angels for a very long time; they just didn't know they were angels. And, of course, once upon a time we were told it takes an angel to kill an angel. If that's true, not only do the hunters not know their quarry, they don't know themselves. Because if they weren't angels (i.e. phoenixes, dragons, etc) they wouldn't be able to kill angels (phoenixes, dragons, etc) right? Angels with brain damage ...or amnesia beyond mere soap-opera scale (LOL) ...or something...
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29.04.2011 в 04:50This was a great episode!! I love the the recap Tina!
I was curious after seeing the Campbell library, if there were any Campbells left?
I also thought Bobby should back up a truck and take all that home.
I am so curious how all this plays out with Cas, is he good or bad? Probably both I would imagine.
Sherry
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racestaffer: Sat, Apr 23 2011 at 8:07 PM EDT
Erg. I should have known better than to post about Rachel's name without doing a confirmatory web search first. I could have sworn it was Nagus... but memory is a fallible thing and mine moreso than most {sigh}. Of course, that just puts my last post into the realm of weird RL SPN coincidences {weak smile}. If I had expected Nagus to lead me to DS9, that would one one thing. But I was floored when I hit enter and wound up with Ferengi.
But anyway, I guess I'm back with the possibility of a hunter code of some sort... unless there's something specific about the stories or characters of DS9...
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layila: Sat, Apr 23 2011 at 9:01 PM EDT
Hi Race,
They kept John at the Sunrise Apartments, Jefferson City Missouri.
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turkeyinthestraw2: Sat, Apr 23 2011 at 10:56 PM EDT
Actually Race, I've heard that Jim Beaver's late wife had a recurring role on DS9, so I think that it was just a tribute to her
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racestaffer: Sun, Apr 24 2011 at 1:16 AM EDT
Layila - An apartment complex? Kinda dull. But still an awesome catch about Sunrise!
turkeyinthestraw2 - Excellent call! Thanks for that bit of info!
More observations, and we'll take this chronologically (as much as possible):
Frontierland - another homage to the wonderful world of Disney {grin}.
Western Courier - The episode opens outside the Western Courier office, complete with a mail drop. Jumping to the end of the episode {smirk}, I believe the delivery guy has the same logo on his uniform. The package may seem like a deus ex machina....but... well, actually, I suppose it's exactly that. Angels are Greek gods... all minor deuses {deuses?}. I've spec'ed before that Sam and Dean (and/or Cas) might be "godlings in training." Angels are God's communicators. They deliver messages. Sam Colt may not have been human. The delivery guy may not have been either. They may have been angel/gods. And thus, SPN turns a deus ex machina into a legitimate thread of their mytharc. Cool if true. And per the "in training" spec, Western Courier was recruiting. "Riders wanted."
SPN couldn't use the Pony Express. I doubt they're still in business. Western Union was around back then and still exists. Maybe the Team couldn't use Western Union for legal reasons. Of course, WU wasn't quite in the mail-delivery business anyway. There are several reasons the Team could have adopted "Western" in their make believe messenger service including, perhaps, Lilith's proclaiming a new power was rising in the West and/or the bad blood described in Hammer between the Eastern and Western gods.
And finally, again regarding the "godlings in training" ...if the spec is on target, would that make the Impala the Little Deus Coupe {snort}?
The big hand on the 12 (and the little one too) - Was anyone else reminded of No Rest For the Wicked? And now that I type this, how about Two Minutes to Midnight? To the extent this might be reverso-world, twelve noon would be the flip side of 12 midnight, huh?
Flaming credits - Bonanza-like or not, the effect also put me in mind of Hell-memory Sam. Then again, we cut directly from there to the Campbell library so maybe Sam had another flaming flashback we weren't privy to.
Ashes of the phoenix - Uh... wording check here, fellas. The book didn't say the ashes would kill the mother. It said they would burn the mother. Maybe they'll just put her into a rage. Or maybe they're the reason she is in a rage... past, present and future being made ever more hard to follow in this show thanks to all the (supposed) time traveling. As Samuel Colt would say later (and I loved this), "Don't believe everything you read." They (and most of the rest of us?) also assumed, based on what they read, that Sam Colt killed the phoenix too. By the end of the 1st episode viewing, they even had me convinced that they must have changed history. But on second viewing I realized Colt said "the gun" had killed the phoenix, not that he had done it. History may not have been changed. Maybe it had always been Dean who did the deed. ...Assuming any of this time traveling stuff is "real."
"You jokers" - Remeber back several weeks ago when I was keeping a running count of the times/episodes where variations of the word "joke" came up?
Guys... guys, guys, guys, guys, guys - Pretty sure it was 6 times in succession. Like I said... I've gotten sensitive to repeated wording, especially when it happens in succession like that. And I'm not even going to try to characterize all the repetition in the follow up round robin {LOL}. Dude - no! Dude - Yes...
Pentagram - They put it in the "Then" and then put it on Colt's journal. And I'm just now reminded that it has made a return to the normal title card this season after being on hiatus since, what, season 2 or 3?
Fate - We're one episode past Fate being the big bad and Dean's talking about the fate of the world being in the balance. And the word "balance" makes me think of the scales of justice (pertinent to this episode) and discussions of possible dualism in the SPNverse where the role of beings like Trickster might be to ensure neither opposing force gains too much power.
Jeannie - This ties back to Dean thinking Jeannie is hotter than Samantha in Bewitched. Was that from WIAWNSB? ...because the root of Jeannie's name is probably the same as djinn. So Dean suggests Cas should Jeannie himself, huh? Cuz he's a djinn, maybe? I've wondered if djinn in SPN were just angels exercising free will. Also, Jeannie was bound to her master. Is that true for SPN's djinn as well?
And when Rachel shows up instead of Cas, Dean inquires of her... "Jeannie?" Given that Dean thinks Jeannie is hot, this interaction with the angel with the long blonde hair reminded me of Atropos "the librarian." And again just noticed while typing... Campbell library; Atropos the librarian. Indeed, repetition is coming fast and furious these days. Anyway, is Atropos Sam's kind of librarian or Dean's kind? Basically, is she hot? No. And Jeannie-Rachel is a lot like Atropos - she too is sporting a 'tude. And she's also talking about the Winchesters acting as if they are "entitled" That's lingo often used for "children of privilege." And once again I'm left to wonder if Cas is John... and if the boys are godlings in training... Maybe being on Earth is like being away at boarding school (LOL).
Aim Lower - Why does Bobby say that then nod, I presume toward Sam. So Bobby would be OK with Cas talking about the partial differential equations? Well, the man does speak Japanese. How long has Bobby been a ...student of life?
"You'll be lost to me" - A) Why? B) That was an interestingly personal way to put it, Cas.
Clint Eastwood - In FrenchMis, Dean mistakenly called the driver Clint.
A hoe down - I've mentioned before that the prom isn't the only dancing reference we've had in the series. At some point this season (I think) I brought up Dean doing the Hellfire Rumba... and I swear there were one or two other non-prom examples I came up with but they escape me now.
"The boys" - And later Bobby refers to "the kids." Again it makes you think of either parenting (Who are the boys' real parents?) or schooling/training.
"Authenticity" - In a show where all is not as it seems. {grin}
Sundance - So we combine another dancing reference and a sun theme. Yeah, I know. It's "really" a Butch and Sundance reference. But how does Dean wind up as Sundance? Wouldn't that make Sam the older Paul Newman? But maybe the usage was context-specific. Did Sundance like saloon girls?
Scott Hylands - OK, this one goes off the beaten path. I was excited when I saw this actor would be in the episode. I'm dating myself here, but back in the day I coined the phrase (just in my own little universe) "Canada TV" to denote shows that you could "just tell" were produced in Canada. The first of these shows, for me, was made for syndication (I think) and made for post-prime-time - a show called Night Heat. Scott Hylands, the judge in this episode, was one of the leads in that cop show. But I think Canadian shows airing here back then tended to come out of Toronto, not Vancouver.
And... well.... this gets me almost 10 whole minutes into the hour (LOL). Like I said, this episode is a Trip to Bountiful for me!
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29.04.2011 в 04:51Woops -- I've noticed a few typos. Plus, I said the boys need to get back to 2010. I meant 2011. Forgive me...
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racestaffer: Sun, Apr 24 2011 at 12:24 PM EDT
Continuing:
To execute justice: As I said, the fate being in the balance makes me think "scales of justice." And the fact that Finch was accused of killing his wife makes me think of my old spec that John, or at least angel/demon-possessed John, killed Mary and Jess. We know John was downstairs the night of the house fire. We know angels can flit back and forth real fast. We know from Jimmy that although you can kind of remember what was going on while you were possessed, it's a bit disorienting. And if what you remember is killing your wife, you might cling to the "disoriented" part until someone like Missouri makes you accept "the truth." We also know John used to drop by Stanford on occasion to check up on Sam. Perhaps hung around... shadowing... Sam and Jess like RoboSam did with Dean and Lisa.
Judge Ty Mortimer: Possible etymology for Mortimer... Dead Sea. Rumor has it that a Mortimer fought in the crusades back in the day... Christian holy wars. Sounds relevant. Mortimer is also the name of the apprentice to Death in the Discworld series of novels. Briefly scanning the Wikipedia entry, this looks quite relevant. The entry includes the fact that Death had an adopted daughter, Ysabel.... Hmmm... and we had an Isabel recently. Mort marries Ysabel, they have a kid, and eventually die when their carriage "plunges into a ravine." Sounds like the end we've long imagined for Baby and the boys, huh? And for Tyrone (Ty)... perhaps derived from County Tyrone in Ireland? Supposedly this equates to the Land of Eoghan and Eoghan was a close friend of St. Patrick (hmmm... Patrick) and one of the judges (hmmm... judge) in a dispute over succession of a king by more than one of his sons (hmmm...). That sounds fitting although another possibility would be Tyr... the Norse god. And let's not forget that since "every culture has its....", these different possible origins need not be mutually exclusive.
"Nice" - Nice blanket. Nice shirt. Repetition. And this was pthe lead-in for the exchange: We're looking for a man. I'll bet. Funniest part of the episode to me and very "classic." But in typing this I see that "betting" (which, BTW is very "Patrick") is something that also will be repeated later...
"Walker" - They didn't go with Rock aliases. They didn't go with a movie where Clint Eastwood had a partner. It's not like he never has one, although they often die (LOL). They went with Walker, Texas Ranger. Is that just for the Texas connection? Could it also have something to do with the fact that Western Courier is looking for riders, not walkers? Walkers? {hee} Makes me think of JA's repeated con schtick about he and JP doing SPN in their golden years.
Elkins - Im' not sure he's the ancestor of Daniel Elkins, Tina. I suspect he may be Daniel Elkins. They never told us the barkeep's name. And I noticed the instant I heard the line that Elkins has been around longer than God. That doesn't necessarily make him older than God... but he could be. You know who else we've heard that about? Death. Aw... and typing that out makes me want to do the etymology thing again. El + kin-plural. El is a word/name for God. So Elkins = God's family {WEG}. And let me pull from Mortimer, above, and also jump ahead in the episode. Who pins the sheriff's badge on Dean's (Mr. Law and Order's) chest? Elkins. Who made Dean apprentice to Death for a day? You don't suppose maybe that too was Elkins.
Daniel, BTW, is know for having slew Goliath. I'll come back to this... if I don't run out of time and/or opportunity to post.
Daniel started out interpreter dreams then switched to having dreams that messengers of God (angels?) interpreted. Role-reversal. Hmmmm. Daniel and 3 other Jewish friends were carried off to Babylon to be advisors to the court. How interesting that the names given by Wikipedia sound like some reported archangel names: Hananiah, Mishael, and Azariah. Reminds one of Haniel, Michael and Azrael, wouldn't you say? Azrael is a name for Death. And Daniel was given the name Belshazzar. Oh, really?
Old drunk guy? - In the saloon, there's a bearded gentleman slumped over a table. He's always there. Is he just set decoration? I keep thinking about the two guys slumped over the table at the pizza joint in 2M2M (I think that's the right title). Because of the plaid, I wondered if the slumpers were Bobby and Sam or something like that. I wonder who this slumper is? God? Oh yes, God will die too Dean. Or maybe Father Time? Or could they be one and the same? With all the time bending going on, I could see how Father Time might bite it... and would that be the end of the world as we know it? The end of Time? Or does someone rise up to take his place? If so... who?
"Only have the one shelf." Again with a number? Ah, and we follow that up with... The 1 and only... 4 years ago... 20 miles out of town. Hmmm... 1, 1, 4, 20. April 20, 2011? The episode starts by saying it's both 150 years ago and 48 hours ago. 48 hours before the episode aired would have been 4/20/11.
Wonder how I'm doing as far as my spammy character limit?
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racestaffer: Sun, Apr 24 2011 at 12:46 PM EDT
PS - Clint Eastwood is a real human being (we think - hee) but Walker is a fictional character.That was another furled brow moment for me. Is there any significance there? How many times have they used fictional aliases? I remember Wedge Antilles. That's another case with a "fictional Sam." Have there been others? Certainly there hasn't been a case where one was real and one was fictional before, has there?
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piscesgirl: Sun, Apr 24 2011 at 5:03 PM EDT
racestaffer-I watched Night Heat also-a great show and the first Canadian TV show I'd ever seen. Of course, now they're common. I like the Canadian shows because they seem to be a little low key when compared to U.S. shows and a lot of the scifi shows come from there(: The Canadians are also good neighbors. lol
Jena H-The cell phone would also have the date on it in 2011. and so Colt specified that the package be delivered on that day.
Did anyone notice how cute Sam looked whenever he tipped his hat? Oh, yes.
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29.04.2011 в 04:52Sticking with CE for a moment (and who wouldn't?), pair him with a sign "Riders Wanted" and my mind goes to... Pale Rider. I don't know the movie, just the title. So where else would I go? This show has made Wikipedia my second home (LOL). Anyway... a girl (Megan, i.e. Meg... hmmm) prays for help and along comes Clint Eastwood as "The Preacher." There's plenty of religious currents to the movie, including the title. Which of the horesmen is a Pale Rider in that he rides a pale horse? Death.
OK - So where was I? Still in Elkins' saloon.
Elkins, "the One and Only": Like I said, I suspect he may be Daniel. He's got three girls. Two of them, a blonde and a brunette, can be found downstairs with him (Trickster's girls?). But his best girl descends briefly from upstairs. She has a date with the judge. According to Sam, "It's good to be Judge." I think those are the words. Is that a famous line from something because it's weirdly put. Another furled brow moment. Cuz it wasn't "the judge", I don't think. Are we talking Judge Dredd maybe? So was the judge, "Judge" or is the fact that Dean was "rescued" from Darla make it good to be him and Dean is therefore Judge? Anyway, the best girl is another blonde (or redhead - can't tell with the lighting). She's Darla. Is this yet another connection being made to Season 1? The most famous Darla for this fandom would probably be Angel's Darla, played by Julie Benz, the same actress who played Layla in Faith. Easy to imagine Layla as someone's "best girl." Reinforcing the possible connection, SPN's Darla has a red smudge by her mouth. Lipstick? A sore of some sort? But it's reminiscent of a blood-drinking vampire.
The postal road - Another reference to messages and their delivery? Is someone on the way to "going postal"?
An old hang up - So, where I actually am in the tape is the part where the sheriff (not Dean) says he's seen a guy not die after being hanged before. Although I didn't comment before, I had it in my subconscious that hanging was something we'd seen before. Dean reacted more strongly to the hanging than Sam did. Ah yes... it was from the trailer for Criss Angel, I think, that I have the memory of hanged man Dean. There have been several other hangings in the show. The one that seems most most connected to this line would be from Hell House... where the trouble began when a brother and sister (I think) decided to stage a death by hanging. I thought I might be able to make a weak case for Goth girl from AHBL to have a tie into this season, but no dice. However, while checking that out I did come up with an entirely different AHBL tie. Andy apparently had a line about waking up in Frontierland.
Boot prints - The sheriff (not Dean) says the killer couldn't be a ghost because it left foot prints. Later, Sam will deduce Colt was visited by demons because of the sulfur plus... the boot prints. Kind of repetitious.
Ride 'em, cowboy - My 1st thought when Dean decided to send Sam off to find Colt on horseback was... that Marlboro man portrait in JP's mansion. Repetition.
Sheriff's tough as nails [...]
Oh my God - the Sheriff's dead - Perhaps God is the Sheriff. Yes, God will die too, Dean. And you know what else occurs to me? In Swan Song, when Cas said there was probably chaos in Heaven with Michael gone, Dean likened Cas to... a sheriff. Meanwhile, if Layila is right and Cas is "juicing up" on human energy on a regular basis, I wonder if his dirty little secret is that he's becoming humanized. It seems to defy logic since it takes an angel to kill an angel. But then again... maybe just like Dean usually balks at the notion of killing Sam... Cas wants to find a way to defeat Raphael without killing him (her). So... perhaps like Sam dragged Lucifer and Michael into Hell, Cas plans to drag Raphael into... humanity?
And... nails? Really? Cuz later Dean's going to be playing with a nail that just happens to be lying around? And I guess he'll prove the phoenix isn't as tough as nails. Anyway... Repetition.
...keeping your lungs in your chest - Again with a lungs reference?
3... 2... 1... 0 - Dean counts off Finch's vendetta against the trio of Law & Order: Old West. He got the judge. He got the sheriff. That just leaves the deputy - but if the guy (it's premature but let's call him dick) does what Dean says, maybe they can keep him alive. This echoes Mannequin. The janitor died. The security guard died. That just left ...Johnny. And Sam thought "locking him up" in a protective salt ring would save Johnny just like Dean thought the iron cage would save the deputy. But in both cases all 3 dominoes eventually go down.
I'm asking you to play your part... bait - Wow, can we say Two and a Half Men (bait); Unforgiven (bait); FrenchMis (bait and staying on sсript); My Heart Will Go On (bait and staying on sсript)... and that's just the ones that come quickly to mind... this season!
Magic brick - You do get a couple hits on Wikipedia. Egyptian funarary items inscribed with spells seems relevant. And with Cas supposedly minting money, perhaps the Indian city that folklore says comes from a single brick that multiplied has tangential meaning. The city is called Vita in the state of Maharashtra. The latter means Great Nation. Vita is Latin for life. Interestingly, in Greek, the pronunciation of the letter beta is supposedly the same as vita. So, the Bible speaks of the Alpha (hmmmm.... and Dean mentions being a one man wolfpack) and the Omega... Last shall be first... first shall be last. But right after the Alpha comes Beta... Vita... life. This puts me in mind of ..well... a scene coming later. And... the vapors? Another lung reference perhaps?
A giant from the future - Remember what I said about David slew Goliath? And again I'll note nephalim and jotun are giants and jotun sounds like djinn.
I'm booked [...] Don't believe everything that you read - So.love.that!
Yes sir - Man I love it when one of the boys calls someone sir!
I lost it in a game of stud - As I said, betting would come up again. Should have added "and again", BTW. Besides stud having a studdly connotation which is fun (LOL), obviously it's a poker reference. Let's not forget, Rufus wasn't just a poker buddy. And Patrick was a master poker player.
So... how's my character limit coming along?
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racestaffer: Sun, Apr 24 2011 at 8:20 PM EDT
and would that be the end of the world as we know it? The end of Time? Or does someone rise up to take his place? If so... who? - Moi
Well, the ones with the watches of course. Cas and Dean are either in the lineage or part of the corporate ladder for the position of Sheriff Death. And for Bobby and Sam... the lineage or ladder of Father Time. Is that where this is going? But Sam also seems to be "empowering" Dean to be The Sheriff. Sam got the gun. Dean used the gun. Sam acquired the ashes... but who seemed most pleased by the fact the hunters can take the fight to Eve? Dean.
The other thing that linked Bobby and Sam here was the whole "don't explode me" thing. First let me say, that was another reason why I said this episode was "messed up." This is the 3rd time we know of that Cas has reached into someone's chest. Why are we only just now hearing that it can 'splode people? I suppose maybe... maybe if you're only "reading" and not siphoning it's not dangerous. OK... I guess... {frown}. But anyway... Now that I think about it I must say I'm reminded of Ruby claiming that Sam had a bomb inside him. Maybe that was true, but an angel has to reach inside to hit the detonator. Perhaps that's why Cas wanted Sam to stay soulless. Which begs the question once again... does Dean have *his* soul? If no... when did he lose it... or did he ever have one?
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29.04.2011 в 04:53piscesgirl - We sure ain't the originally targeted audience for this show, huh? (LOL)
Keep both hands on the wheel - Yes, yes. Having just come off the car metaphor, "if you're up on blocks," the wheel is just an extension of that. But I can't help thinking about the Wheel of Suffering {Buddhism}, the Wheel of Fortune, the Yin/Yang circle, the Circle of Life... the Alpha, Beta and Omega discussion, above. Things that relate to destiny and forces of the universe.
Juice - Bobby suggests that there must be something like a spell that will juice Cas up. The scene plays out. Cut to commercial. Come back to Dean having locked up the deputy. Finch enters and instructs Dean to open the cell. Dean retorts that surely a thing like him has the juice to do it himself. Juice talk in two essentially consecutive scenes. Repetition.
Get it up... Slash sheriff - Eyes rolling... snicker.
Son of a btch - Hey! That's supposed to be Dean's line. And a few seconds later what does Dean call the phoenix? A freak with a heart of gold. Although some of us may be more sensitive to Sam being called a freak (because Sam's openly sensitive about it), Dean's fallen under that umbrella a time or two. Combine it with the son-of-a-btch exclamation and it makes me wonder about a possible parallel.
"Course I don't die" - I haven't mentioned yet that a lot of why this episode worked so well is probably the great job casting and directing. I really liked the phoenix and this line in particular was sooooo awesome! The synchronized tossing aside of the duster panels was a little gay though (LOL).
Truckasaurus - Another reason for me to think Cas might be John. Of course, given time-beding antics like Dean co-existing (supposedly) with FutureDean in The End, aiming a truck reference at Cas could really make him any of the folks in the Impala crash of Devil's Trap. But my money's on John. But then, for Bobby to make the comment, would Cas have shared his super-secret identity with Bobby?
Changing realities on the move - No busted windows here (though we had one earlier), but this reminded me, a bit, of the guys falling onto the set in FrenchMis.
Deus ex... communicado - I understand the "deus ex." criticism of the ending. I think my knee-jerk reaction held a little of that, myself. On my first viewing, I don't think I really caught the Western Courier office and the logo on the guy's uniform. I do, however, think I was already warming to the ending (not that I ever disliked it ) before the 2nd viewing. I enjoyed the victory snatched (or gifted) from the jaws of defeat twist. And I was already thinking I recognized Trickster's fingerprints in the blowing dust. A delivery guy? OK, so it wasn't Polish kielbasa, but it figures... even without the partial differential equations. Sam acts as a communicator/messenger to facilitate the Colt and/or Finch mission and he scores a cookie... one that few if any of the hunters will probably recognize as a cookie (LOL). And that'll be even more true when the ashes don't perform as expected. I've already pointed out that burning is not the same as killing. But God works in mysterious ways and it may be a cookie just the same.
The phone was a lovely touch in this regard. It was like a Shibboleth of sorts. The secret password. Proof enough for Colt that Sam was who he said he was, doing what he claimed to be doing. It was also the link to get the package to the right place and time in the future. Yeah, it was a bit weak in that it relied on Western Courier holding onto the package for 150 years (LOL), but it wasn't utterly impossible. And it's amazing what one can forgive if you're happy enough in other ways {sheepish grin}. Additionally, the phone actually symbolizes the importance of lines of communication. In fact, the contents of the box in toto are pretty interesting for our hunting Winchesters. The ashes of a phoenix symbolize death and rebirth. A cell phone coated in decades of dust and a hand-written note represent lines of communication... old and new, spanning space and time in ways that both define and defy it. A little magic for Dean, though he'll probably be too focused on the ashes as a practical tool of the trade to give much thought to the magic. A little magic for Colt in the form of a glowing brick and a maybe even in the form of a pep-talk from a low-milage hunter calling him sir, and calling him a hero, and believing that what hunters do matters. And a little magic for Sam, perhaps, in the form of a package desperately needed by the hunters, that made it to the right place... at the right time... and has his name on it. Tangible proof that his contribution to the cause matters.
"And Again": The Second - So the judge said "I bet." Then Sam Colt mentioned playing stud, another gambling reference. And finally, our messenger notes, "me and a couple guys... made a bet." Oh yes. I'm sure you have. Lore is ripe with wagering although isn't it usually one on one? So what might actually be the biggest and yet most under-appreciated questions of the episode may just turn out to be:
Who is doing the betting? and
What (or who) are they betting on?
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racestaffer: Mon, Apr 25 2011 at 10:36 AM EDT
"Ripe with wagering"? As in stinky? (LOL) That probably should have been "rife" although juicily delicious works too. And other possible reasons for going with Walker include: diminutive of Skywalker, diminutive of skin walker; a Pale Rider reference. Behind door #3, apparently one of the last things if not the last thing Clint's Preacher says is to comment that the leader of the miners has a "long walk" ahead of him.
The Preacher is mysterious... possibly supernatural... and a rider... and the guy he's talking to is the leader of the humans... and a walker.
So if Sam's a walker but Dean put him on a horse, does that make Sam a human, or a supernatural... or both?
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29.04.2011 в 04:54Don't worry... {sigh}... With only 4 episodes to go, I doubt we'll have any more trickstery episode that just seem to beg me to microdissect them.
Also on the repetition front: dirty. Cas is the angel in the dirty trenchcoat. Another brow-furling comment. Rumpled is different from dirty. I've never thought of Cas's coat as dirty. And then Rachel mentions Cas's dirty little secret. Plus, when Judge Mortimer comment on how clean Dean's shirt is, Dean's response is that it's dirtier than it looks. Again, that would paint Cas as a candidtate for John... or Sam. Balthazar's follow-up to the trenchcoat observation was that Cas is the angel "that's in love with you." That turn of phrase remains somewhat problematic from a Cas=Winchester standpoint. It would seem to be a better fit for Sam given the various bromance barbs over the years. "They get that we're brother, right?" "Doesn't seem to matter." (LOL) But Dean's assertion that his shirt is dirtier than it looks puts me in mind of Shark and Idol. For all that Dean can contend that Sam is more like John, Dean's the one that always made the effort to follow in John's footsteps. Eh... more on that in a minute! Anyway, despite all the disappointments, John was still Dean's idol in FA. If Cas's trenchcoat is dirty and Dean wants his shirt to be dirty too, isn't Dean trying to demonstrate he's Cas-like?
I was again pondering what Dean is if Sam is both a Walker and a Rider. I don't think we got references to him doing either in this episode. And it made me think about the absent Impala... which isn't a horse anyway... and riders are Horsemen, aren't they? And that got me to thinking of another possible reason for the Mustang last episode. Apparently, in a Balty-designed world... but perhaps designed at the behest of Cas... the two fellas, combine to make for one horseman... they both are Mustang riders. Though once again the mustang wasn't a pale horse. It was a dark horse... Another gambling metaphor?
And now, returning to the mid-typing observation of Dean wanting to follow in John's (and/or Cas's) footsteps.... I'm thinking of the story of the guy who took God to task for not being there in the difficult times when He was needed. You could tell because if you looked at the path the man traveled there was always just a single set of footprints. And God replies that's because there were times in the man's life when God carried him. I wonder if the Team had this in mind when they included the prints. At any rate, it's also interesting to me that we have a pattern of one set of prints then later two sets of prints. The one set of prints, the first set, the alpha set... it was left by a creature that had sought revenge after his wife's murder. Does the phoenix represent John? So the pair of footprints that come later... do they represent Sam and Dean?
After a phoenix dies, it is born again. So here's yet another reason to suspect Cas might be John... or as I've spec'ed less often, Mary. It's still not clear to what extent (and for what reason) we might be in reverso-world. After all, we do have the weirdness that Raphael recently switched genders. Eve is "the mother." The phoenix burned. Its ashes can burn the mother. What goes around, comes around somehow? And the mother of Sam and Dean burned too...
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rickcash: Mon, Apr 25 2011 at 12:53 PM EDT
Good lord....are you seriously for real??
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racestaffer: Mon, Apr 25 2011 at 1:06 PM EDT
ROTFLMAO!!! Jeannie is hotter than Samantha. Shorten Samantha and you obviously get Sam. Shorten Jeannie and you get Jean... like Joan of Arc. But in French Jean is a boy's name... and in English that would be John, right? So Dean thinks John is hotter than Sam. Good to know... Course, maybe he just means hellfire hot {snort}.
Was John formerly Joan of Arc, BTW?
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racestaffer: Mon, Apr 25 2011 at 1:08 PM EDT
rickcash - No. I'm Tricksterilly imaginary.
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auntie: Mon, Apr 25 2011 at 1:26 PM EDT
Did not like this episode at all. Lately, their subject matter has been very offensive towards my beliefs. Having Dean throwing a 'square headed iron nail at the guy/demon. He could've very well used an iron bullet to prove his point instead of the square headed iron nail which also happens to be what they used to nail Jesus to the cross. Also with the fact that in 'LAV' ,throwing a young girl into a firey pit, and when she comes back up, finding out later that her nmae's Eve'? They could've picked any other woman's name. IMO that's distorting the Holy Bible along with also finding out that this character is also called 'Mother Of All'? IMO more distortion of The Blessed Virgin Mary'. She happens to be 'Mother of All Living'. Also due to the fact in 'MHWGO' how Dean made a remark about 'The Waltons'. IMO if this show doesn't get picked up for a 7th...good ridence!
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basic315140: Mon, Apr 25 2011 at 2:40 PM EDT
Love, Love, Loved this episode. The only thing missing, was Jensen on a horse too!
Incredible recap as ever, so glad to have someone recap'ing that really enjoys the show just as much as we do!
Loved Cas & Bobby getting some time together. And nice to see the boys getting along.
Would like to know/see more about what Cas is really up to. Maybe next season?
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29.04.2011 в 04:54Lately, their subject matter has been very offensive towards my beliefs. Having Dean throwing a 'square headed iron nail at the guy/demon.He could've very well used an iron bullet to prove his point instead of the square headed iron nail which also happens to be what they used to nail Jesus to the cross.
First - I'm a Catholic. Born and raised. I studied the Bible for 12 years through both Catholic grade school AND High School. I'm still a practicing Catholic. I love my God and Jesus and all that goes along with it. In no way am I remotely offended by anything having to do with this show. Frankly, if it makes people have a discussion about religion - great. If this offends you auntie - perhaps you should just turn off the tv or only watch the 700 club because there are far more offensive things to worry about then this. Second - Dean could NOT have used an iron bullet to prove a point. Bullets were made of lead back then. However what WAS common was nails made out of iron. And they were usually shaped that way. I think its quite a stretch to say or think it had anything to do with Jesus on the cross.
Also with the fact that in 'LAV' ,throwing a young girl into a firey pit, and when she comes back up, finding out later that her nmae's Eve'? They could've picked any other woman's name. IMO that's distorting the Holy Bible
So they used Eve. Big deal. Many have speculated as to whether or not the show is trying to parallel THE Eve - as in the first Eve. Clearly at this point they are not. Maybe they chose "Eve" because it makes people wonder. Mary Winchester is Mary - but shes not THE Virgin Mary. John is John but hes not John the Baptist. There is indeed, in Greek mythology a Mother of All Monsters. Its far more likely that this character is more loosely based on that - just as they have done with other religions on this show. Distorting the Bible? Really? Its a Sci Fi show. Not a History Channel doc*mentary on the Bible. Television and movies have taken liberties with Christian beliefs since their inception. Dont like it? Dont watch it.
I can't remember who mentioned something about the time travel and things being different...something to do with Samuel Colt in the past, then knowing where to mail the package etc. I kind of understood what you meant - time travel loops are always confusing. One thing I want to point out though is that Samuel Colts journal didnt say HE killed the Phoenix...it said the GUN killed it. I just took it to mean that Samuel wrote the entry after learning what Dean did.
race - I have not been in a very "reading" kind of mood so I haven't been as voracious with your posts as I usually am. But I did catch one thing that I wanted to add/contrast to that you said. It was about the Dean/Bobby Star Trek convo. We know Dean is a movie buff so him comparing the plan to ST 4 and Bobby not knowing what it was... I am a HUGE fan of the later ST things...like TNG and DS9 but never much cared for the movies or orginal series. And I'm thisclose to Bobby's age. I dont think Bobby would have been any more likely to watch the original or their movies...just as its odd someone of Dean's age would watch ST4. That was 1986! I know you're looking for reason in there some where...I think this is just one case that Bobby happened to prefer the newer incarnations of the ST series opposed to the older ones. Like me.
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29.04.2011 в 04:55Race, I think you might find CE’s high Plains Drifter much more interesting. It’s about a sheriff who was murdered and the whole town watched as he was tortured and killed. He comes back as a ghost and takes revenge against the town’s people and those who murdered him. Also, I think you are right. I really think the cliffhanger Kripke is referring to is the return of John Winchester. Cas’ comment “you would be lost to me” is really a personal and emotional statement. I think we will find the Winchesters, most likely Dean, has been in some kind of coma. Maybe all the way back to Faith or maybe it’s Dean in hell being tormented. This is one way to make all the oddities of the season fit. I also think Crawley is alive and is part of Cas’ dirty little secret. Also, Eastwood did a 1992 movie titled Unforgiven.
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racestaffer: Tue, Apr 26 2011 at 1:46 AM EDT
layila - Well, you know I'm kinda partial to the Cas=John spec. I've been pitching that one since... forever. But another thought just came to me. It spings from the bromance comedy which, as I noted, seems to also have extended to Cas through Balty's "in love with you" line. And I'm not going to go into much detail here because to fine tune the spec I need to know specifics of the timing of certain events (except maybe I don't in a world where time can be bent). But anyway...
In Faith, wasn't the reason SueAnn targeted the teacher because he was gay? And there's still the old spec that Mary knew a heart surgeon because of baby Dean. Maybe she even bartered an unborn future child she planned never to have, Sam, to save baby Dean. And that's why she apologized to Sam in Home. So there are two basic different flavors of spec from this...
1) Cas was born from the gay teacher's soul and spent some time inside Dean, keeping him alive, before pulling Dean out of hell.
2) The teacher was Cas's vessel and the teacher seemed to be gay because Cas was expressing himself.
Expanding further based on S6... it may not have been the electrocution in Faith that damaged Dean's heart. Maybe Mary's deal to save Dean involved putting a black slug in him. We know they are chased off by electrocution. Is it possible that Fate arranged Dean's "accident" for the express purpose of electrocuting Dean and chasing away the black slug? And then was that done because black slugs are evil? ...because Fate/Death felt that Dean being alive was upsetting the natural order? ...or because someone with knowledge of how faith healing works wanted to put the teacher's soul or the teacher-vessel's resident angel inside Dean?
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racestaffer: Tue, Apr 26 2011 at 2:58 AM EDT
Or how's this... Dean gets targeted for gay jokes because he was once kept alive by the soul of a gay guy... and Cas got targeted because his vessel is gay. If anyone would make a good candidate for a married gay man in the closet it would be Jimmy, don't you think? That detail would allow Cas to be John but defuse the Wincest implications of Balty's "the angel that's in love with you" comment. Maybe it's Jimmy, not Cas, who is in love. That could also explain why FrenchMis made MC out to be the pretty crying man in the ...lovely sweater.
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racestaffer: Tue, Apr 26 2011 at 12:40 PM EDT
What do you suppose Colt was working on at his desk? Octocobra maybe? In FrenchMis, FauxEric returned because an SOS had been sent out. But he had left the show to work on a new pilot... a new story. And where had he been? A remote cabin. I think Elkins said Colt had last been through town about 4 years ago. Colt says he's old... retired... Sam says he can't retire... Sounds like Colt symbolizes "God" here... or at least the god of the hunters... Sam's and Dean's god. About 4 years ago would be the end of Season 2, right? So we're either talking John or YED ...or both. It was a ghost I tell ya. It wasn't a ghost, it left footprints. That sounds like John in AHBL. What was the real reason Sam didn't shoot YED-John in Devil's Trap? The real reason Dean begged him not to? Was it because God will die too, but Dean wants or needs to be the one to kill God? Dean shot YED with the Colt in AHBL. YED laughed at the notion Dean would kill him in In The Beginning. The phoenix didn't think Dean would kill him either. But Dean shot the phoenix with the Colt... the ghost who left footprints... the monster with the forbidden love... the one who usually avoided "town" and when he finally went, his woman died. It sooo sounds like the story of a fallen angel... a watcher who was seduced by the freedom and beauty of God's creation. One who wanted to protect and enhance it, perhaps...
Every culture has its yada... yada... Fallen angels are a bit like Promethius... they brought "forbidden" (but God works in mysterious ways) powers and gifts to mankind. Azazel brought weapons and cosmetics. Notice that with Colt in retirement, Frontiertown "isn't awesome." It was ...dirty. Like Cas and his trenchcoat. A fresh coat of paint and some new threads might have helped some. And the saloon girls left a lot to be desired. Maybe if someone taught Darla how to apply lipstick properly... some other makeup too... it would have helped a lot.
The fellas vacillate, like we all probably do, between wanting the truth and wanting pretty little lies. They've expressed dissatisfaction that Dad didn't lie to them a little longer about the monsters in the world. I don't remember the order, but this season Dean asked RoboSam to both be honest and to lie and act like everything was normal with him. Makeup and a fresh coat of paint? What was it YED said? This... something else... that's all just details. Details... superficialities... cosmetics. And the word apocalypse is about revelation... removing the veil... Seeing that the great and powerful wizard is just some fumbling schlub with a nifty SFX machine. Was it the SFX guy in FrenchMis who did the nifty bullet-dodging trick?
I know what you are. Dean said this to the phoenix. Repetition again? Because Dean said the same thing, or something very similar, last season. I still say we're working our way towards "The End"... and it wasn't an evil Samifer that Dean was talking to in that episode. And we'll definitely be revisiting Detroit one day.
I told you... this would always happen in Detroit.
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racestaffer: Tue, Apr 26 2011 at 1:39 PM EDT
Errors and omissions:
Omission - When I was talking about lost loves and about protecting and enhancing God's creation, I should have added that this is probably going to be part of the trouble between Cas and Raphael and part of Cas's dirty little secret. Becoming or not becoming a fallen angel... punishing or not punishing the supposed transgressions of angel/human relationships.
Error? - I said Colt was in retirement and that's why the town wasn't pretty. Maybe. Certainly it's why the town didn't have "the Colt" ...which is a weapon. And weapons are a gift of Azazel. Cosmetics are also a gift of Azazel but weapons aren't the same as cosmetics, are they? Well, they might be, or at least cousins, if life and death are just illusions. But anyway... Was Colt responsible for the cosmetics too or was that someone else's area? Someone else who was absent for some reason... The phoenix had stayed away from town after he got married. Did he used to spend time in town before he got married? Was the town prettier before Finch got married?
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Tina Charles: Tue, Apr 26 2011 at 7:52 PM EDT
I'm sure you guys have all heard by now but Supernatural was renewed for a seventh season!!!!!
Great news!!!
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29.04.2011 в 04:56No! I hadn't heard. THANK-YOU for bringing tidings of great joy!!!
Any hints on why it took so long to make that official?
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layila: Tue, Apr 26 2011 at 9:53 PM EDT
That's about time! Doing a happy dance
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layila: Tue, Apr 26 2011 at 9:55 PM EDT
Thank you Tina! Doing a happy dance
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layila: Wed, Apr 27 2011 at 12:28 AM EDT
In my moment of insomnia, it just occurred to me that the sheriff in Unforgiven died and was reborn as a spider. He survived the fire robo Sam had set in order to finish off the spiders nest, but was later killed by Sammy. A little like the phoenix rising from the ashes. It’s interesting the episode is titled with an Eastwood movie. Hey Race, did you ever watch Dark Angel? Jensen played a transgenic named Alec who had a twin named Ben. Ben was a serial killer who was later killed. I thought you might like to do a little spinning with that in mind.
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Coug80: Wed, Apr 27 2011 at 12:50 AM EDT
Wonderful blog on a fantastic episode, Tina! And GREAT NEWS about the renewal. I think most of us felt it was a sure thing, but what a relief to have it confirmed!!
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racestaffer: Wed, Apr 27 2011 at 2:25 AM EDT
layila - I've seen Unforgiven (the movie) although I don't remember anything about it other than that it was a modern Western... i.e. "gray". Another CE movie I stumbled on that offered some interesting material is The Outlaw Josey Wales. Part of what's interesting there overlaps with Unforgiven. Here's an entry from the trivia section for the movie in IMDB. It offers us another reason for calling Sam "Walker." And it also offers us a possible additional reason for selecting Unforgiven as an episode title besides the obvious.
Josey's two main handguns are Colt Walker 1847 Dragoon revolvers. They each hold six .44 caliber ball shots. The weapon features larger cylinder chambers to allow more powder to be placed in the gun, making them more powerful (thus, why it was so popular 20 years later). The Walker Colt's one drawback was the weakness in the cylinder walls. If one broke, the whole weapon would blow up. This is referenced in Clint Eastwood's Unforgiven.
This entry seems to relate to Ruby saying Sam had a bomb inside him and, similarly, Cas saying Bobby could explode, plus the importance of avoiding wall damage.
I wound up at Josey Wales by looking up jayhawk. But I guess I'll leave that story for some other day... because I just looked up something else on Wikipedia... and I stand corrected yet again! Clint and Walker are NOT split references with respect to reality and fiction! They weren't real-life partners or even contemporaries either, but at least they're both real people. I looked up the Walker Colt and it was made in partnership by Samuel Colt and... wait for it... Samuel Walker. And Walker was, indeed, a Texas Ranger. It may be worrisome that Samuel Walker died shortly after he got the guns from Colt. On the other hand, Colt was from Connecticut so there's obviously only so much the show borrowed from reality.
And I see you have another post now, layila. Funny that you bring up Ben. I guess I will revisit some of my Swan Song text perusal after all. I'd handn't gone looking for jayhawks. The guys had the freedom to cross the country for an Ozzie concert and jayhawks game(s). I'd mentioned Bleeding Kansas a while ago although I don't remember what train of thought and Wikipedia link(s) I followed to get there. Well, jayhawkers ties into that slave state/free state history. The derivation of the word is obscure, and begins with a guy telling a story about a mythical Irish bird that steals the eggs of other birds and often kills the birds. So there's possibly multiple levels of relevance for Jayhawks. And Ozzie lends itself to thoughts of Oz.
But I digress. As I said, I didn't go to the text looking for that. I simply caught my eye. What I went looking for was to see if the name of Sam's teacher in the Blue Theater got mentioned. I'd been thinking about balance in the SPNverse... Paralleling it with the old "soul mates" story about how Zeus's lightningbolts generated men and women as two halves of a form genderless whole. So what happens if you smash a human soul to bits like an atom? Do you break it into component parts... opposite parts... angels and demons? And if angels die, do you need some demons to die too to maintain balance? The "power of three" {giggle} seems important to SPN although it's hard to tell who "The Three" are... John, Dean and Sam? Bobby, Dean and Sam? Cas, Dean and Sam? John, Mary and one but not the other boy? Etc... Etc... Anyway, there were 3 "devils" in the Blue Theater, one of whom was named Rachel, and we just saw a Rachel die. Another, I remembered was Doug. He wasn't from Detroit but he *was* from Michigan. I wonder if that name will pop up before S6 closes? And I wondered if the teacher had a name. In surfing the net, I'm only getting a couple hits where he isn't generically described as a teacher. I'm getting a couple going with Mr. Benson and a couple with Mr. Bensman. Either way you slice it, you've got a "Ben".
Of course, you have more than Ben... so if what happened to someone with Rachel's name should make me wonder about Doug and the teacher, should I be concerned about Ben himself? ...Ben's son? ...Ben's parent (presumably dad... per the Mr.) ...Ben's man Dean? This brings us back to old spec about how long RoboSam spent lurking outside the Winchester-Braeden's, how frequently, and to what end? Add in the all may not be as it seems theme, even if it looks like Ben is a target, will that really be the case? Remember how Dean scared off Lilith in Shark? He put Chuck in harms way in order to attract a pissed of archangel. And bait is clearly another big theme this season. But we've only had one of the three dominoes fall. As long as there's no Doug in the offing, maybe Ben and his father/son/man will be OK (LOL).
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catchafairy: Wed, Apr 27 2011 at 10:41 AM EDT
racestaffer...they didn't wait long at all; Supernatural got an early pickup. The official CW announcements are on May 19th.
This was great news!!
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29.04.2011 в 04:57catchafairy - Well {sheepish grin}, I guess it's all relative. I suspect more of us than not have been expecting the show to get renewed. And, as I've said before... Seasons 4-5 seem to contain a two year mytharc and I expect Seasons 6-7 will be similar. Thus, it would really suck if the Team gave us an ending that planned for a follow up, like LuRis, but then there was no follow-up. It really would have been good for SPN to get the greenlight while they were still working on the final episodes of the season so they could plan accordingly.
Although... I must admit, my favorite season finale remains AHBL cuz I'm not fond of uber cliff-hangers especially if the prolong uber-angst (LOL). Supposedly the S2 finale was written so that it would be a decent series finale if the show ended there. So perhaps I shouldn't wish for the CW to green light the series early {hee}.
layila - Stumbled on another interesting factoid this morning... well, assuming we can believe what it says in Wikipedia. And Colt did admonish us not to believe everything we read {grin}. Nonetheless, I found another reason why the SPN story may have started in Lawrence, KS. You know what the city motto is supposed to be? From Ashes to Immortality. I kid you not!
I was also thinking about the criticism that the phoenix was so human-oid, like the dragons. I realize that may be most due to time and budget constraints but I think it actually works for the show. It reinforces that the idea that the guys might actually be living in "our world." Magic lives and monsters (and angels) walk among us all the time. There's lore about them because they are real. But people have gotten too "smart" for their own good and the monsters are so good at blending in and/or flying under the radar that we've convinced ourselves they are just figments of our collective imagination.
This train of thought, how SPN makes aspects of lore tangible and real, sent me on another search. There are several spans in the US called Rainbow Bridge, at least one of which is in Kansas, though not near Lawrence. The talk of explosions ply my mentioning Tyr earlier brought this to mind. Also, having this episode so prominently remind us of the Devil's Gate probably played a big part too. The doors that lock or open them are man-made. Was the portal to Purgatory in a mine or a cave? I can spin this eaither way though... natural or man-made. I've spec'ed about Ragnarok. And in Norse mythology, the connection between Earth and the land of the Norse Sky gods (Heaven?) is the rainbow bridge. So if you think the sky gods are your allies you'll want the bridge to remain standing so the gods (angels) can come to your aid (and vice versa) But if you are afraid your enemies will cross the bridge, or gain supplies from it, you blow it up... Bridge on the River Kwai.
Cas is afraid all will be lost (whatever that means) if Raphael assumes control of Heaven. Cas and Bobby both have beeen spoken of in explosive terms. Oz is somewhere over the rainbow.
In The End, Cas had become human. He was cut off from his Heavenly power. So my spec is... that *is* going to happen and it will involve blowing up a bridge. You know, with some proper "hocus pocus"... the right bridge... the right time... one with the right graffiti on it... something like that. There is another bridge, Gjallarbrú, that may span a river that separates Earth from the underworld. Blowing that up is also a possibility but it A) doesn't have the nice Oz connection, B) Wouldn't have the Ragnarok connection, C) Wouldn't seem to be a way to take away Cas's powers, D) Might rob the show of ghostly visitation which could be a bad thing if it wants to move back in a slightly more classic, MOTW direction. Or, on the other hand, it would make ghosts a worse problem because there would be no way to send them back where they belong.... hmmm...
Blowing up a bridge would tie into the explosives themes of Sam's and Bobby's souls and Dean going after the dragon-killing sword. Ah, and the humor of the explosion looking like it went well at first but, in fact, having damaged the sword... yeah... that may be foreshadowing...
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racestaffer: Wed, Apr 27 2011 at 1:39 PM EDT
Yep... yep... yep... Here's an excerpt from a transcript of The End
2014!DEAN
Look around you, man. Half the planet's better than no planet, which is what we have now. If I could do it over again, I'd say 'yes' in a heartbeat.
DEAN
So why don't you?
2014!DEAN
I've tried! I've shouted 'yes' till I was blue in the face! The angels aren't listening! They just—left—gave up! It's too late for me, but for you—
A) Maybe the angels didn't/don't just give up. Maybe Team FreeWill (or Raphael) blows up the Rainbow Bridge and the angels have no access to Earth.
B) The movie The Parent Trap gets mentioned elsewhere in the transcript... and one imagines that's because of the look-alike Deans. But I think I spec'ed even then that there might be more to it. And it's interesting that Dean mentions the movie again, this season, when Ben arranges for Dean to "come home."
C) "blue in the face"??? Are you revealing your true colors there, FutureDean?
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racestaffer: Wed, Apr 27 2011 at 1:47 PM EDT
Sheepish grin.... although heartbeat is an overt heart reference and potential reference to the color red, while blue in the face is an overt blue reference while being a potential reference to the lungs (suffication). Heart and lungs references clearly repeat in the show and I think red and blue color themes are also showing up periodically. Are both of them indicative of body and soul, perhaps??? Soul being the breath of life...
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piscesgirl: Wed, Apr 27 2011 at 8:26 PM EDT
I'm so thrilled about #7, finally I can sleep at night.
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racestaffer: Wed, Apr 27 2011 at 9:30 PM EDT
Another possible road sign that may be pointing us towards Rainbow Bridge... The episode title All Dogs Go to Heaven. Apparently this phrase is attached to the idea of a paradise where pets go, after they die; and they wait there for their masters.
Ah... and Atropos just called Sam and Dean Castiel's pets, didn't she?
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Arafel979: Wed, Apr 27 2011 at 9:47 PM EDT
Oh my, not sure if I will be able to get back before the next new ep., and didn't have time to do anything except skim the comments but wanted you to know that I did read your re-cap, Tina, and I have to say that I have ALWAYS! loved the colt and hoped for a backstory on it. I've never developed any kind of a similar affinity for the knife at all-in fact, the only thing about the colt that I've never liked was the thought that Ruby...*yuck*... could help Bobby make bullets for it-Boo! Hiss! to that, writers. I've re-watched this episode every night after work and gone to sleep with visions of CowboyDean imprinted on my brain......
I've seen T-shirts that read "I LOVE! Posse" already
I was going to talk about plots, but honestly, I just don't feel like it except to say that I hope they will keep Dean and Cas' profound bond intact and that Dean will hold Cas as one who has earned his way into being a part of The Winchester's extended family.
I am a huge western fan and so loved the call-backs in this ep to the Sergio Leone spaghetti westerns starring Clint Eastwood-A Fistful of Dollars, For a Few Dollars More, and The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly. Still revelling in the love and not wanting to give it up. And as for S7, I hope they will do better by Jensen and Dean next season because he deserves better from the writers, but I will never complain at being able to have The Ackles in my living room on a weekly basis. Never. Kudos to all for the S7 pick-up.
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racestaffer: Thu, Apr 28 2011 at 10:49 AM EDT
Pre-coffee, right after the alarm clock rings, thought... My excerpt from The End could be a reference to disembodied Dean in IMToD. ...or some other person in a coma.
Also, I stumbled on something the other day, don't even remember the context. I that bit of surprise you can feel when you go, "I don't remember that." Not in a shocked way but more a... I can't believe that even after the reminder, it's not feeling like an "Oh yeah" thing.
So, before young Sam read John's journal then discussed it with Dean... did he think his mom died in a car crash? Colt told Sam not to believe everything he reads. I have a hunch he's talking about more than the reference to the phoenix in his own journal. Is he talking about John's journal, perhaps? Something else? Blonde, protective older sibling Isabel died as the result of a car crash that brunette ghost Rose was responsible for although she hadn't intended the consequences. Is there symbolism here and does it extend to the fact that Rose meant to kill Dean and Isobel died by mistake, collateral damage?
And in my last post, to clarify, when I say "the phrase" can mean a pre-Heaven paradise for pets separated from their masters, I meant Rainbow Bridge, not the episode title.
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